E7 | Flashback Episode: Able Heart

Mike Schwartz: What's up? All right, guys, I was sitting, going through the archive and I came across an old one from the vault. An interview I did a couple years ago with a fella y'all might know, goes by the name Abelheart. And some things ⁓ age very well. And one of those things is positivity. So I really wanted to bring this one back here so you guys can hear my conversation with one of the brightest humans and most explicitly, happy human beings that I've ever met before, which is much needed now more than ever. This is my conversation a couple years back with the one and only Abel Heart. This is Abel Heart and this is my song, Money. Thanks Feel it. freedom i don't need a reason I am super pumped for today's guest. got Abelhart on the show today. Producer, artist, manifesting wizard. Dude, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. I love doing these. So I appreciate you having me, seriously. Dude, I should have added to the intro mustache man right in there. Literally just gonna say new mustache man. is my first New mustache man. So anyone that's not into mustaches, I apologize ahead of time that you're gonna have to watch this. You're better probably just... turning the video off and while I was listening. But if you are, here you go. I want to get right into it. It's been a minute since I've been able to talk to people about the healing nature of music. And a quote comes to mind, I'm going to read out that after doing a deep dive on your history and such, man, and knowing what I know about being a musician wellness coach, oftentimes like your music is so bright. It's so uplifting. It's so fun. And it just gets people into the vibe. Right? Myself included. That's what really turned me on to, to when I first heard it, was like, dude, dude's got a vibe. This is cool. I know from my experience, both personally and as a, as a professional in the industry that there's a quote, the darkest nights mean you see the star at the most. If you're familiar with K-Flay. No, I've never heard of that. That's phenomenal. Go check that song out. Okay. That was one of the songs that like, when I was in a really dark space, that was one of the songs that like, ⁓ I get it. Yeah. Because your music is so positive, because I know that the light usually comes from darkness, what was that shadow life for you, dude? Did you say the shadow life? That shadow life, yeah. What was the darkness for you? Never heard of that term before. like that. ⁓ Yeah, I mean, was the last... Without making this a 20-hour long podcast and trying to sum it up. I was... I was lost. The bottom line is I was just lost. You know, I didn't feel like I had purpose. And this is after, so you mentioned briefly training and comp and that sort of stuff, athletics. That was my everything since I was young. So that's all I wanted to do. That's all I was going to do the rest of my life, nothing else. And very narrow minded, mind you, I was very young, but also like, that's what I was great at. And it made sense. I could just, you know, I was like, worst come to worst. I'll just live in a cabin at the top of a hill and I'll be able to snowboard every single day. That's it. You know, like I loved it. It was my... My purest joy, which when you really look at the simplicity of that, it's like, that's actually phenomenal. Like that's all you need. And like you're purely internally fulfilled and happy. It was not that deep for me, you know, so young and I like, yeah, I like the snowboard. know what mean? But, but so I, so after competing for a while, that's, mean, that's a whole long story of competition and how I got into that. It just came to me naturally. Really. I was very, I guess you could say talented and we could get on, we could get on the topic of talented. ⁓ throughout this, I've, I've a weird thing with the word talent when it comes to music, because it didn't come naturally to me. Like I was just saying, snowboarding did just made sense. Anything athletics or that was like physical just made sense and I could do it. And that's how it was for snowboarding. So I competed since I was very young, maybe like four or five traveled was very fortunate to be able to travel around the world and do so. And, and then one day, you know, just like any sort of sport, but definitely extreme sports. comes with injury, it's just the way it is. Yeah. So, you know, yeah, mean, it would be a shorter list to tell you the bones that I haven't broken. But the one that put me out when I was, when I was, my time frame back then is so all over the place, but I want to say around 15, 16, maybe like 15 is when it put me out, I fractured my lower back. And that was the one that like really took me out for a long time. just because, I mean, just because it's my back. And in sense it took me out for so long, the level in that interim of me having to rehabilitate my health, my fitness and all that, the sport progressed so fast. It's not like it is now. People are quadruple cork, freaking 1260s. And back then it was like the 900 was like the holy moly. But I feel like it progressed that much in such a short amount of time that paired with the fact that it was now I was riding with a team that helped like fund and support people that didn't necessarily have the money because traveling is expensive. And my parents obviously did everything they possibly could, but ⁓ definitely after the injury and all the hospital stuff, it was, ⁓ I think at that point too, around 15, it started to catch up to me. Like my parents. are trying to do this. And then if I go back, they're going to put out all this money because I stopped writing for the team and all of these. So I think I took a lot of that weight on trying to look back and diagnose the things that were very subconscious back then. wasn't, I wasn't consciously aware of a lot of this, but I was starting to become. And so since I really point being, since I had lost what I love most in this world externally, I didn't make that, that call, that choice, right. But because that's what I felt like my purpose, which that's the main key word takeaway here. My purpose here on planet Earth was taken away and I no longer have that. I say I got the case of the, I don't want to curse, but like the efforts. You know, it's like, well then F this, F that, you know, like F this, F that, I'm not going to do, I don't care. Like I'm just going be a part of this 27 club, you know, and that's what it is. And it sounds very morbid, but again, I paired with the fact that I was young and, and I was hurt, you know, like I don't want to make this a boohoo story because it's really not. If I would have just sucked it the F up and understood and realized like, and my mom would love my parents. I'm so grateful for them. They've always been super supportive. Even if they couldn't do things, it's just like, after your dreams, whatever it is. But, you my mom would always say, you know, there's not just one thing that you could do anything. And I never wanted to look at that. was like, I don't want to do that. Now, mind you, my dad was in music my whole life. My mom... since I was a baby would bring me in the clubs while he would play. But it was never something that I wanted to do. He's also a 100 % or so he makes masters produce sound design, sings, does plays guitar, does all that. You got mustache though. I wonder if he's had a mustache. You better have dude, come on. Come on. I would think so. mean, he was like 70s, 80s man. So I feel like that was around that time. He's like Starsky for sure. You know what? wonder if he sees my social media lately. Maybe he does. I feel like he would have called me, so probably not. But when he does see it and he sees the mustache, I feel like he's going to be super proud. know, I feel like I'm going to get a call. but I mean, like he's got a hundred percenter. Does he have a mustache? I don't know. That's true. So he's only a 99 percenter. I got to beat, I got to beat. I appreciate that. know? Yeah. It's looking at a different angle, right? That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully I get the call. But no, he, he, I grew up, ⁓ you know, around music my whole life, but it was never, I think I always say when you're so close to something, you tend to neglect to see, you know, the value or the possibilities in something. It's just there. Yeah. He would always try and get me to like come down and record something. I was so insecure though. I did it a couple of times and I just remember getting so frustrated. was like, no, that stinks. You know, like that's the worst take ever in this. Like don't even play that, don't listen to it. My dad would be like, that was amazing. You know, even though it really wasn't, you know, it was just being a good dad. But yeah, was too, everybody came down was, I was too insecure. So I had the case of the efforts. ⁓ and my mentality was, you know, the 27 club, is what it is. I'm going to like do whatever I want and experience. Cause mind you, I didn't, I didn't go to like normal high school we had with part of the team. There was a traveling tutor. So I didn't have like the normal high school experience. I would go for like maybe like a half a semester or semester. and then I would travel. So I didn't really have, I didn't have friends like that. I'd be the kid that was, which I felt so much pressure by this, but, cause again, the Olympics was the goal for me in that, in that sport. So I felt so much pressure. I'd go in for like that half a semester or whatever. And then people that I didn't really know, they weren't really my friends, but I kind of knew. And I'd be like, going to the Olympics, you know, he's going to the Olympics, he's going to leave and whatever. So I always felt so much pressure. But again, a lot of my fear. behind so much stuff and a lot of things that we'll get into and how like my music even evolved or like we're even having this conversation to be able to reach a mass amount was overcoming fears. It's like, it's everything, you know? But that's what it was. So I got caught up to answer it to world to round circle, like fully try and answer your question. I got caught up with the wrong people, places and things because of also the things that I now talk about the frequency, you know, I was in. And mind you, for sure it was valid, but I'm very militant, which is probably the training and snowboarding. I'm very military mentality. don't, I don't project that or put that out ⁓ a lot on social media. I am to myself. I don't do that in particular because for one, know that's not everyone's, I want to be able to connect and resonate with as many people as possible. And I've been able to learn myself. I couldn't fake it. You know, like I am who I am on social media. ⁓ You mentioned earlier, like a persona. Now it's really just fully meek. I feel I've never felt more myself on social media ever in my life than I do right now. Like the same, we could get off this call and not be, I'm this way, know? The silly stuff. Humor has changed my life. You know, like I love, I love putting stuff out that's like that. And really it's again, breaking the fear of all that. Because if you look at any of the stuff and some of the stuff you touched on or mentioned earlier, I would never have thought, I would have went in the street and danced with my shirt off or whatever the case is, you know, much fear. And I didn't, I point being, you know, I, I've been doing music now over a decade, like close to 14 years, which is unbelievable. And it definitely dates me at this point. But you know, I didn't do any of that for that amount of time up until recently within the last year. And shout out, I don't know if you talked to Charles, my manager, but, we grew up together, right? He was never going to, it was never, we grew up when used to film and the stuff that we do now. And I remember him always being like, bro, like you got to do this. like, I'm not doing that as a kid. Just too many fears. ⁓ really just like human, the evolution of human growth and me going through things and, ⁓ like coming out on the other side and understanding something different than the way I thought things were. ⁓ don't want to make that like too deep, but that's just kind of the evolution of right human beings. And they always say hindsight is 2020. ⁓ so, so yeah, he, he, he was a big, he definitely was a big part within this last like year, year and a half. ⁓ like stepping into that, think because I never had anybody in my corner. after snowboarding, I'm trying not to jump around here. After snowboarding, I went back to school, had the case of the FITS, started associating with people, places and things that weren't the best because of the frequency I was in. And yeah, I mean, was continuous rock bottoms. It was just rock bottom after rock bottom. ⁓ I struggled, you know, with drugs, depression. And I feel like most of the things that you hear a lot of people struggle with before something. Big. Yeah. Amazing happens, right? And it's, it's like, it's such a simple thing to say, you know, to someone and hope that that gives them hope. But when you're in that place, it's like, you know, ⁓ you like, have to, it's, it stinks. And I wish no one had to go through it. And the truth of the matter is you don't have to have that like external trauma, like the traumatic experience to have a great change in your life. Because that unfortunately for a lot of people, That's what has to happen. You know, it's like a diagnosis or you lose someone or something happens. And then you're like, oh my gosh, like I need to get my stuff together and I need to go to the gym or I need to do this and I need to reconnect with this person and do this. I need to really go after my goals. have to quit this job. I can't work this nine to five for the rest of my life and turn out like X, Y, and Z, you know, so it doesn't, you don't have to reach a traumatic experience or have a traumatic experience to have that change, you know, but I know a lot of people do it. did, you know, like, unfortunately. And I had people in my corner that were telling me I didn't, you know, I didn't have to go through it. ⁓ and it's just kind of the evolution and everyone, everyone's evolution journey is different, but I don't want people to hear that and take away. Like, cause that could hold you back when you realize you're so different than anybody else that could hold you back to know who you're supposed to relate to and understand where to move next, you know, and hear the words up. Cause I'm still like, ⁓ we're so different. This person had it like this. or this person grew up with parents that had X, and Z. I never, I never felt that way. You know, like I never, again, I'm very fortunate for my parents mentality, but I never grew up the, like, I never had that, that thought like, ⁓ so-and-so grew up with like parents that had a bunch of money, even though that wasn't my experience, you know, but I could still look at them, even though, yeah, that would be awesome. You know, that'd be super dope, you know. Like he gets to ride his parents Bentley or whatever the case. But I just, think I knew from training that that would hold me back mentality wise, you know? Of course. Yeah. So almost like you got to put walls up and just do you, right? Like in the minute that you found it, you know, just watching the evolution from, you know, an innocent bystander as I am, I'm sitting here going like, dude, this, and a lot of people don't deep dive into the actual artist's life though, but it's, ⁓ It is so I love that you touched on like how the military, the discipline, being really, not necessarily maybe hard on yourself, but being like looking for a hundred percent looking for like always looking to be better than, where you were yesterday. Right. And that's a, that's a big, big thing. think a lot of people, uh, trouble have trouble with, and this may touch on your point with, with talent. Cause I'm, very similar in my belief of that word. Um, because people read you. And they see, okay, kid busts his back has a woohoo goes, oh, maybe I should change and be happy. And then things will get better. And then he gets a break and now he's famous. Okay, cool. And it's not that way. Right? Like that was a lot of hard work, right? 2019 brings you into the world with, um, with song land. Right. And a lot of people that don't do, and they, they are in a negative mindset. They're in a victim mentality. They look at that and they say, ⁓ okay, cool. Well, you just got his break. Cause you know, the Joe bros, right? Like, anybody who reads into it actually knows that I came with a lot more hard work and trials and tribulations for years by the sounds of it. And, and I mean, overcoming insecurity in yourself as an artist, overcoming insecurity is yourself in a person. Talk to me about what your thoughts are with that talent. And I mean, the song that did it. that looks like really kind of gave you that confidence was green light, which is what you put down for the Joe bros, which we'll get back into later on. like, did that whole, how did talent versus hard work? Was it a break? Like, what are your thoughts on that? And what do you tell those artists that are sitting there with their nose up in the air at you? Yeah, mean, for one, I try not to... ⁓ listen to that because again, I know if someone really feels that way, it's just something they're going through or they see something that they also want that they don't have. So then they feel that sort of resentment and that's, I can't, I'm not anyone's parent and I can't, ⁓ change that. And I know for one, I'm not going to allow that to affect my energy. Used to be different a long time ago. I was always trying to make everyone happy and I wanted everyone to feel amazing and every, and everyone not to be offended by anything that I said. ⁓ and I was, you know, it's just a happy go lepidate. ⁓ It took me down a hole of just misery and then I became a worse person around anyone else. it wasn't positive in any sense. But when preparation meets opportunity, because that's what it was, it was opportunity. You create your own luck. don't care. For sure. It's like the 1 % that I feel like a lot of these conversations, and I love, we talk about military mentality, to myself or have been historically, I'm not much anymore. Because when things change, Jordan Peterson says, ⁓ become a monster, then learn how to tame it. That's the hardest part, by the way. Learn how to tame it. That's what I've been doing this last year. It's changed my life. The learn how to tame it part has changed my life. But I was a monster for extendedly too long. And it was just, I was very David Goggins mentality. You know who he is. I mean like, to a T. Not that I like, I found him after I was already that way. know? I was like, oh my gosh, you're like, this guy gets me. You know? I was like, yes, this is how it should be and this is how it is. But I didn't spend my time with anyone. You know, I was by myself. Like literally like a hundred percent of the time even when I was like I lived I lived in a shed I live in a storm cellar I lived in like all different random places and then I lived with my sister but like I wouldn't and then a couple other buddies in a house and then there was a shed I was just living it and I Didn't spend my time like they would have parties and stuff. I wasn't that's not why I was there You know like and that's great that they wanted to do that and that was totally fine I love them to this day. I love those guys ⁓ But that wasn't my mentality and that wasn't why I was there. And I knew that if it didn't work out, like my parents weren't going to be able to support me to do any of this. And it was only going to be on me. Everything was going to be on me. So therefore I had to make the choice to do everything necessary in order to get to where I wanted to be. It was that simple. Right? So I needed to make the schedule, the daily routines and become the monster. Right? That I wanted to be. And I knew that if I wanted to like the future me, I wanted to be. that if that's the case, I had to become someone completely different because the way that I was living my life was not working, right? But I had to go through rock bottom after Rila's earlier, like we were talking about, I had to go through rock bottom, rock bottom, each one getting worse and worse to realize like, ⁓ my gosh, like I am the cause and the effect of all my life decisions and I'm the one because as human beings, I talk about this all the time because it needs to be like reiterated, as human beings, we have the best excuses. They're so good. They're like, ⁓ God, because a lot of times they're valid. You know, 90, almost 90 % of the time they're valid. And. it's like, that's what holds us back the most though. No one else. It's just, it's so easy to say someone else is holding us back from the things that we want most in this world. And if it was different than it would be like that. But it's like, what does that do? It's just wasting time and time is the most valuable asset any of us have here on planet earth. So, ⁓ once you realize these things, kind of stepping into your new fullest self, it's like, okay, these are the things I have to do in order to become a monster. But then. The taming it part was the trickiest for me because going to your point. So I had bounced around. ⁓ I used to walk everywhere, ride my bike and right before, right before the song that thing and the Jonas Brothers things happened that week, I was supposed to move out to California or move from California. I was there for a couple of years. Nothing happened. You know, like career wise, anything worth like writing home about. Like I learned a lot, you know, ⁓ I didn't, and I, the project able heart before that I produced only. So I learned how to sing on YouTube and how to write, you know? So I did the same thing that I learned how to produce. So I learned that, you know, like I grinded and I understood how to do that. But I felt like I needed to do something that if I left California, which I didn't want to, you know, it was expensive. I didn't have the money then. I feel like, oh, like I did something. You know, like I put out a part of me because going back to what you were talking about earlier, some of the older catalog, if you go all the way down to the beginning of my music, it was completely opposite than it is now. And I left it up there intentionally because, I could just take it down and be like, Hey, I'll, make his happy music and it's positive and it's blah, but, but that was never even from the jump. was never my full picture. I want to, yeah. I don't want to say, yeah, you have a drug problem. You have a drinking problem or a gambling problem, sex problem, shopping problem. Like none of that is the problem. You know, it's not the easy thing. Anyone wants to hear you're saying drugs aren't a problem. I'll tell you what drugs were my temporary solution. I didn't have. If I didn't have any of that stuff, I wouldn't be here. I can guarantee you that. There's no way, like coping with it. Now, I'm not saying that people should go do that because it's going to help you cope. That's not what I'm saying. No. It's a temporary solution to a permanent problem, a permanent problem being a spiritual malady, a spiritual malady being a void, a lack that you're feeling on the inside that you're looking to fulfill externally. Shopping, drugs, gambling, whatever it is. Right? And it's like, well, how do I do that if I don't want to grab on these things externally to fulfill it? Because it's only temporary. And it's not sustainable. It's like the same thing you always hear, like if you take this drug or you do this, or you drink so much, you're gonna need like tenfold more later on. It's unsustainable and it's never the same as the first time you did it. It's just the way it is. So if you know that, you're like, okay, well, the only way to fulfill that is internally. We're like, hell, frick do I fill something internally with the way that I feel internally? There's no way. And that's the journey and the evolution of what I spoke on earlier of us human beings. But it's starting to deep dive into this information and people, mean, like I said, I was by myself literally almost a hundred percent of the time. ⁓ and the people on the internet became my friends. may sound silly, but it is what it is. The Dr. Joe's, the Mel Robbins, the Ed Milets, the Jay Sheddies that like I could go on a list of them that I still watch today. know, funny that, Hey, you know, that's amazing. But yeah, I mean, ⁓ So that had happened. I, the week leading up, was like, okay, I need to do something. I, I met the one kid that I met out in Los Angeles when I first moved there. I reached out to him. was like, bro, I want to shoot a music video. Do you like know anybody? He met my buddy, shout out Johnny. He like knows everybody in LA and I just happened to meet him, you know, and nothing just happens by chance by the way. But he reached out to a buddy of his. He's like, let me see if I videographer can shoot something, blah, blah. And he sent him the music and this was the old stuff. It was like the drugs EP. And he was like, bro, he's like, I'll do this for free. I didn't have any money. You know, he said, so he said, he's like, I'll do this. Shout out Alex Rinks. Phenomenal. And he was like, I'll do this for free. If this is his first part, like I want to do it. Like when does he want to do it? And I was like, okay, let's do it like tonight. I'm very much like, I'm going do this. I'm going to do it right now. We're to do it and then I'm to edit it. I'm going to put it out. Yeah. I'm very much like that. And so, so we linked and I was like, what, what do you, what like, what do you need from me? He's like, well, just like send me like the treatment that's written out. And I was like, I don't know how to freaking write a treatment. So I just went on Google, like learned how to write a treatment, put everything together, then send it to him. Probably like, I don't know, like 15 half hour, just right away. He's like, oh my gosh, you just like do this right now? I was like, it's a full, I mean, it's a full thing. And I was like, yeah, you ready to go? So, so, so then I hit him up. He's like, okay, we need to get another girl to like an actress for one of the things. So I hit up my buddy again. He's like, okay, I found this other girl. So we got it. And then pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And then the next day. We went out, she found the spot, which is funny because ironically, it was like, we were looking for really abandoned broken down motels. And ironically, it's much harder to like be allowed in them because if you go up and it's just like, they're like, what are you going to do here? You know, like we're trying to put ourselves in it. It's really weird. Anyways, I don't even know I brought that up, but, ⁓ so we shot everything. And then I was like, I was like, ⁓ got all the footage. had it all like on a hard drive. I was like, ⁓ my gosh. I don't know how to edit. don't know. And editing is, if not the most expensive part. I was like, I don't even know anyone that could edit. And on top of that, how long is that going to take? Like I'm leaving this next week. So I was like, F it. You know, I just went into a bunch of debt, like ordered a computer and had it like, like built through them. And I just ordered it, took out a bunch of debt and then stayed up for three nights straight. Cause it was that week. stayed up for three nights straight and learned how to just Google YouTube, how to do use final cut, you know, and edited the whole video and then put it out, you know, and I was just like this, you know, cause I've been up. Yeah, no kidding. I was like hours later. Yeah. Losing Did it, put it out and mind you, my goal behind it. I just wanted to be talking about the universe. just wanted to, I just want to like put out, you know, that feeling. And this is what I went through and I hope it resonates with someone. ⁓ but I know that it's also like a way of me venting and being able to express the way that I feel inside without actually carrying through these acts again. Right. It's like a release. I did it, put it out and it got, I believe like literally 74 views. My intention wasn't to go viral, you know, it's just to put it out into the universe. 74 views. Mind you that week, one out of those 74 views, right before I'm about to leave was someone at Universal, NBC. How do you make that up? know? How do you make that up? mean, and everything, yeah. And everything I just spoke about that, ⁓ my gosh, I did this and I had the brain. That was my life. Like that wasn't, wasn't like, ⁓ my gosh, I have to do this. I was very David Goggins, if anyone doesn't know who that is, I feel like everyone does at this point, but just very military. This is how it is, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. But unfortunately, what I didn't know for a long time and what really held me back, and that I will say that I wish that I would have changed for anyone that is either in that mentality or is striving to be consistent with getting things done and keeping your word to yourself, most importantly, ⁓ is I didn't have balance around that. And I hit a wall and a ceiling, because I wanna tell myself, I don't hit ceilings. You know, like I don't do that. Someone else might, you know? But I don't. And that's what I told myself and I did over and over. And I always reverted back to the same people, places and things and situations and things that brought me down. was the next worst rock bottom and the worst. So I would say balance and like taking care of yourself. Mind you, I always went to the gym, but really like mentally taking care of yourself. Cause I didn't do that, you know? I was like, none of that fricking matters. You know, I'm going to buy my house on the beach. Like that's it. You know, that's my self care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But I mean, yeah, but it, it, but it helped it, but you can't make that stuff up, man. I mean, that's, that's what had happened and someone reached out and I didn't want to do it. I'll tell you, be honest with you. Like I told them that too. was like, did you like, I mean, if you go back to it, I don't know if you've ever seen it, but if you haven't like check it out, because it's a funny story. Like if you go to that video, it's called, let me drown. It is the most. explicit video ever. And I was like, I thought it was fake at first. Like, yeah, we're NBC. We're looking to do the show. Someone saw, you they saw your video. Did they really see it? know? Yeah. Where's, where's Ashton Kutcher? Am I getting pumped? What is this? Right? I was like, this is not real. Yeah. Or it's a scam or something. And that's, that's real though. That like, that's, that's a, mean, I just want to take that right there. What you're saying, because that, wraps up so nicely. The fact that Like music for you clearly has been such a cathartic process. Like says a lot about your passion, says a lot about your value system when you're able to go like, yo, you're going to be here too. And you're probably going to come back. ⁓ so it's really interesting hearing like you're totally 100 % self-made and you were doing it from the love of just like being cathartic. It's interesting because when we look at the music landscape and especially independent music and artists and entrepreneurs, any kind of brand. They've got this scarcity mindset. Now you open the song with, you can do anything you want, man. I'm manifesting all things good. Money coming to me, money running through me, tuned into the frequency, the bass keep booming. mean, dude, when I heard that, I was like, this guy knows what's up. And that's a track, that's a track, money. And how ironic just hearing your whole story and maybe ironic is not the word, but how. How effing cool is that dude? You're now cathartic through the stuff that you're experiencing and guess what guys, it works. Talk to me, walk me through the writing process. How did you get to like writing about manifesting what others would call the woo woo stuff and then putting it into your music and now making it a ⁓ popular thing, dude? Like I mean, yeah, I mean, and then kind of like you just, was, I knew music for the most part and I understand whatever everyone's in a different place and We can go into the conspiracy route of what they push towards the radio and who puts whatever the case. I'm all for it. You know, like, and that's great. And that for sure happens, but like, that's not what I choose to focus my time and energy on. I did it first, you know, because a long time ago was like, get to get in this field and I have to do this within the industry. And like, we live in the best time of the age. You don't have to do that. Like you can completely do the same exact thing. Be self-made and do it. You want to learn? I feel like I'll have this conversation with a few people. where I'm like, ⁓ because I'm a hundred percent or I mix master produce sound design engineer sing, right. And I do everything I could do it. could fuck, excuse me. I can make a song in the bathroom and it could go on the radio. Like I'm not boasting. I'm just telling you a fact. Right. And then some people hear that they're like, well, that's not like the goal for like, everyone doesn't have to do that. That's fine. I'd like. You're right. Like not everyone has to do that, but I'm here to tell you and to also show you proof that anyone can do it. And if it's what you want. And I'm not saying, because I also came from the people, places and things that I couldn't trust the way that I grew up. Like because of the situations I put myself in, because of the frequency that I was living, regardless of if I was sad, whatever excuse I wanted to tell myself. So I didn't trust. So I was like, well, how am I supposed to do this? And also send this proof. And I was very, needs to be done yesterday, you know? Then how am I going to like send something off? And I tried a few things like would send something off to mix and it would take like two weeks. And I'm like, bro, you know, like that's not what I need to do. This should have been done. So I didn't want, yeah, I didn't want to deal with, just didn't want to deal with that. And that's fine. Everyone works on a different timeline. But again, I'm here to tell my story and I'm not here to try and offend anyone else. These are just the things that I experienced and I want to live this life as fully as possible while I'm here. Like I believe, I also believe we're in a video game, know, that's the way it works. It is very game like, right? So, but yeah, to answer your question, I just, I went through the period of time I touched on a little bit earlier where I was writing about a lot of those, those dark things and Yeah, it was true and those are things that I went through. like, was, I was bringing that back and I was manifesting that same stuff back into my life. Even though I wasn't like living like that anymore. Then I start writing about it consistently going back mentally to that place. How did it feel? did it? Okay, I'll write about it like this. I'll write about it like this. And then put it out there and then put the negative frequencies in the music. And that's how I was feeling, you know? But then it, poof. all started to show up back in my life again, same people, places, and things, and situations, but now on different coasts, and over here, and over here, because I was like, ⁓ my God. I didn't even think I really even knew it up until like recently. I was like, ⁓ my gosh. Wow, that's why that kept happening, because after the manifestation, all the museums, like, ⁓ that's how that happened. That's why I was going through that stuff. I was writing about it. I thought that if I wrote about something, like the negative things that I had experienced, that someone else... that also was going through that would also hear it and know that they're not alone. Because when you're going through that stuff, ⁓ that's the one thing you feel like. No one else will understand you and you're alone. Which is, I'm here to tell anyone that's listening, is not the case, you know? And you are not. And there is a life beyond your wildest dreams. It's just making that choice and that decision to start living differently, you know? And start making different choices and decisions. And that could be like the hardest choice and decision within that, right? Yeah. I do have a question in my heart. ⁓ When you were expressing, like, you were feeling it, you were pointing, like, where were you feeling it somatically? Like, in your body, what was that sensation when you were going back and writing about all those hard times to try to connect with those people that may feel like they were alone? Like, did you feel that in the body somewhere? Oh, yeah, I mean, 100%. In order to, like, again, I wasn't, I was sitting there and I was writing it myself. didn't have co-writers. And I was like, what do you think is a better word? Like, drugs or something? Like, no, like, I, you know, that was something that I would have to... and be like, and literally think about stories that I was going through, like, or had gone through and be like, how did that feel? And how, cause you have to like tie, this is what I did with now I feel like this, you know? And because of my feeling like this, I ended up doing that, you know, whatever the storyline of that song is. So I would have to go back there. of course, yeah, I mean, I would, I would feel that. And then you actually, can't help yourself when you're writing over top of something that I just produced, you're already in that feeling, right? But you don't realize you're projecting that negative frequency. She's like, ⁓ yeah, I'm writing this, even though like you're, that's the excuse. And that's what's really tricky. And it took me a long time to realize like my brain was just trying to, I couldn't trust it. I couldn't trust it, which is such a scary place to be. Changed my life. But someone once had told me like after I kept repeating these things over and over, right? The definition of consistently doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results of this insanity. So someone had mentioned they're like, you know, you can't trust yourself. Like you can no longer trust yourself. You've done this too many times. You've hit too many rock bottoms. You've been in too many situations, X, Y, and Z. You're here again. You can't, like you're have to do something different and you can't trust what you think the next move should be. I was like, what do you mean? You're you're not, you can't. Your brain is like, it'll, it'll fake. It'll like come up with great excuses, but it just wants to see you messed up, miserable and upset for the rest of your I was like, well, I can't trust myself. Like, should I eat soup? You know, you know, like should I, should I freaking eat, but like, what should I be doing? Like, I mean, it was that deep. Like I didn't even, I didn't even know myself. That's what I felt. was like, Oh my gosh, because I believe them. It was that one part of my life where I also met that one person and shout out to that one person. I don't even remember. had been to so many treatment facilities at that point, but I was like, I met that one person at that one point in my life when I was like, I'm the cause of all this. There was no excuse. I had exhaust every excuse. in my life to blame anybody else or any other situation that happened. That's why it didn't happen for me or whatever the case would be. I exhausted it. And then I also met that person at that same time. That's how the universe works. It's like, okay, you done bro? You done? And then I met that person. I was like, you can't trust yourself, which is crazy. Cause I was like, damn, what am I supposed to do? And, and, and in that, and then that, uh, time of vulnerability is like, I'm just going to listen to people that have either also been there. or that know better than me, you know, because I always thought I knew the best possible choice and way of decision, you know, that's what I thought. ⁓ But I did feel it to answer your question. did feel, feel it wholly, you know, which then manifested it back into my life. And then to go back to your question that I don't really think I answered, ⁓ how I made or how I got into this, because I started to understand that. And then I started to listen to people again, the friends that I made on the internet. The Ed Myles, the Dr. Joe's, all the people that I would listen to, like the David Goggins. I was like, you know, I was like, these are all things, especially Dr. Joe. What if I like, okay, I make all the music and all that I talk about, that's the other thing that really brought this down. Whenever I'm on live or social medias or anything else, I probably should be promoting my music. I mean, yes I am if I'm, you know, dancing in the street or doing something silly that Hopefully we'll make someone smile, happy, and the algorithm will like it, you know, because at the end of the day we're at the algorithm's whim. But, yeah. I was like, I was having a conversation with my manager and I didn't want to do hip hop because I was like, what are people going to say, you know, if I do hip hop, even though that's like the only thing I listen to outside of house music. And I was talking to my manager, Charles Chaz, and he was like, what if you just talk to, bro, all you talk about is life. Like when you probably, like, I was like, well, yeah, I should probably be talking about promoting my music. But when I go on live or talk about anything else, is all this whole conversation that we're having right now. I can't help myself because I love it. I'm so passionate about it. And I've seen how much it's changed my life in hopes that it possibly will resonate with someone else and hopefully change their life. Not because of my words, even like, because I just, I just go like, I feel like most of the time it's just like speaking through me. don't even know what it is. I have so many like outer body experiences where I'm like watching myself have these conversations. It's the weirdest thing. Um, but, but that's what, that's what it was. was like, Oh, That was my excuse in a positive way. was like, oh, so I could do hip hop. I make some dope beats. You know, it's gotta be dope beats. That's why I told myself the beats gotta be dope because I don't want it, you know, if I'm going to talk about manifestation stuff or just like positive, you know, positive stuff, it's gotta sound hard. know, like it can't be like, now we're manifesting. have a saying, we have a saying in hockey man, it's ten play. You can't come in ten play. Cause you know, two ply is real soft on the baby's bottom, but 10 ply. Wow. I love that. That's good. I'm going to to steal that for a lyric. ply. Yeah dude. 100%. Put that right in creds right there. Yeah. Yeah. I got you. Dude, that's the song. We'll do a collab on 10 ply. Let's do it. I love that. That's awesome. That's the next box. I seriously love that. I'm in. Okay. I'm in. Yeah. 100%. Okay. We're doing a box. Yeah, right now don't forget. Yeah, I just that's just kind of what it was I was like, okay, so I tried the first thing that I did was too good I was like, how could I started like affirming positive, you know self because it took me a long time to get to that like that self-love place like I truly like I love myself like bro To be able to say like I never would say that definitely would never say it to myself I wouldn't say to myself and I for sure as heck would never say that on the internet, know because fear of judgment like it would be like Oh, he's so narcissistic or condescending, whatever. Like, totally. But I like never buzzword is a yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I had to sit with that and yeah, but that's, that's kind of how it came about. was like, shit, like stop. mean, crap. If I just talked about all the things that, you know, if I just talked about all the things that I talk about on lives when I should be talking about music and put that into lyrics and all these things that I helped my life, like, wouldn't that be like, the best, you know, wouldn't that be like the best thing ever? Like other people would also, even if they didn't know, like that's what I want. I wanted to put other people on, even if they didn't understand or know, because it would happen, you know? It's like, it would just happen. You're listening to it. And I know that frequency works that way. So I was like, then, then slowly it would bring me, cause I just want to spread positivity, you know? I get it. get it. Yeah, to help. But that's, that's kind of how it came about. And then it, it just worked. The first one I did, it worked. The first one. And then you found that, then you found that pattern. You're like, ⁓ being myself is actually the key to this success thing that we talk about. how freaking nuts is that? How wild is that? Isn't that wild? How many times did you do this? Cause I know I did as an artist, I would give away my music or I would like, like play for the bar. You know, you mentioned you had 74 views and one of them was the ticket, right? that, that one person. And I mean, it's so hard to, as a, as an independent musician to get up every night that you go out and play, if you're making music and hope that that right person, like, how does one stay on that path and just believe, does that come from like your, your athletic background? Like, how does that translate from one area of your life to keep in shape with overcoming that resistance that you might feel as an artist? Yeah. I mean, that, just allows me to have, I knew that from a from the start of doing any of this. I knew that I had to have my physical activity. not, and I have this conversation with people, like, I don't need a six pack or I don't want a six pack. not what it's about. Like what it does for your mental is it will blow your mind. And I knew that I needed that. I couldn't cut that element out of my life. For one, I loved it. ⁓ Even when I didn't love it, I never wanted to go. ⁓ But I love the effect produced, right? If we're talking about the effect produced, I knew how much it benefited my life and drive for everything outside of the gym or training, whatever the case may be. ⁓ But yeah, I think a lot of people also just think that they want this or they see stuff online and they think they want it until they realize all the things that entail. I think a lot of people are definitely meant for it. I've struggled with this over the last few months a lot, I'll tell you, because ⁓ for the longest time, my whole life. And that's where I'm at, like now going back and forth with this, because I talk about this stuff so much. And I've just had such my whole life, a firm belief that anyone could get this. Anyone, like this, like anyone. And that's why I try and speak to anyone and everyone. And just over the course of definitely this last year and more so putting this out on the internet and the things that I talk about, you just like realize like, I don't, I don't want to think that not everyone can just freaking get this. I believe everyone has a purpose here on planet earth. I totally believe this. And I'm not speaking on just being an artist. I'm talking about like getting this as being a human and internal happiness. And that's like, that's, that's the evolution of where we all want to be. But yeah, if that's where you always want to be, it's always in front of you and you're forever chasing it. So if that's the case, it's like, well, then you have to live with that and understand that the moment is where all the meat is. And you're like, ⁓ my gosh, there's so much information. Then fricking rewind it, listen to it, slow it down, type it into Google, find someone else that could translate it better to you. You know, like I, these things are. Super important in life and that's the grind like what we're having now like doing this right now I said this all like this is the meat this conversation the things we're talking about the journey I'm not worried about like I'm sure there's other things like I'm sure you got 20 other things to do after this as do I and the next thing but that's like I'm not worried about that I'm here now like I'm enjoying this one and I'm excited for whatever's next you know like I don't know but I also but what I do know is the unknown like the everything that's in the other on the other side of fear And the unknown is a life beyond my wildest dreams. It always has been. Anytime I took that leap of faith, like I said, I didn't even want to do song land. thought first I thought it was fake. And then my mom also was like, if you don't freaking do this, you're not coming home. So shout out Ma Dukes. ⁓ yeah. But I was, I was scared, man. Like I was like, ⁓ my gosh, I've never performed in my entire life and I'm going to do it on national television. And how are they going to edit this? Like, cause I already edited a video. So I'm like, you can edit a million different ways, right? A new found editor. So. Right? All these things, which I now use today. Anything you see is edited. Like I edit everything and I love it, you know, and it's a balance of all of it. So thanks to past me for going through that. Right. But I didn't want to do that because I had so much fear. What's going to happen? How are they going to do? What if I don't win? It's going to be on national television. What are people going to think? And it was like, also like, ⁓ it's a 50 50 shot. I worked my whole life to do all these things. And this is like the ultimate decision of like, yes, you're meant for this and this is for you or no, it's not, you know, all these things. But I just like no option, no choice. I definitely externally didn't have no option, no choice. And I was like, in a positive way, I've just like, F it, you know? Went there, they put me in that week. They were supposed to move out, put me up in the hotel to start shooting. You can't even make that up. Out of fear. And I was also 14 is my number 14, my birthday is 7-14, 7-7 is 14. It's been my lucky number my whole life. I was in number 14 room there that they put me up in, which is crazy. All these things started showing and it changed my life. Everything, every single day that I was there and filming, I was scared like ⁓ you wouldn't even believe, like imagine. And it changed my life. So the one thing going back to what I was saying, the one thing that I do know is everything on the other side of fear and of the unknown, like I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm fearful of that, which is totally valid and I understand, but everything on the other side of that. is a life beyond your wildest dreams. always is. And we're talking about positive stuff here, right? I don't want people to twist my words. They're like, well, if you go do something super negative and you're fearful of going to, like, you know, like we're being pretty straightforward here, right? So it's changed my life. I, how do I, how do you have that someone understand? They have to, like, what are you willing to sacrifice? Like it won't be like that forever. You know, like again, I did it for too long. I was a monster for too long. And. And I realized like, oh, there's a point where then you have to understand how to tame it. Because things happen in my life because I was a monster. Preparation meets opportunity. This happened. Now we need to keep being like this. I just drove myself into a wall. needed to understand that. Okay, you're here. You're here, bro. yeah. Understand where's your best time spent, you know, time management. What are you doing? Work smarter, not harder. Yeah. Even to that too, know, like so many people do talk about time management and one thing that I change, just one word on time management rather than time, because that's, know, we could be here all day if that's real or not. ⁓ Energy management. Like where are you spending your energy? Are you putting that into the people and like it's what we consume. It's not just the food that we eat. It's all like, where are you spending time? What are you listening to? You mentioned some really great points earlier. You're listening to dispensers. You're listening to Shetty and you've got Ed Malette and you've got, mean, you dove much into Paul Chek? No. Dude, I'm gonna you up with Paul. Your rituals, your habits, they are directly related to your content, to your branding. You're so consistent with the stuff. Everything looks spot on. Walk me through like a day in life. Typical April hard day. I know he's not always just dancing around in the streets doing these things. What's the typical day? What are some of these like top secrets? that people could start to look at and adopt if they aren't in the place that they want to be in their life. Yeah. mean, man, you said it earlier, you know, and it took me a long point to get there, but what you said was, just being me. And that's crazy. I mean, that's amazing. I have to stop saying like, that's crazy. That's unreal. It's not even real. It is. so real. It's absolutely, perfectly real. But that's the key, you know, man. And that's really what it is. It's like, I'm just putting out my true authentic self. And I fully feel that. And I really am that way. The things that I put out on the internet, I, cause for the longest time I would hold that back. I would just get, cause we all have different like volumes of our personality, right? Um, but I would always very much like hold that bag because like it's too much or my whole life. I remember it was like, by the way, I'll say for, I usually say it on every podcast, but I'm not on anything. You know, like. I'm very high on totally had that as a question. I'm sure you get that because I get that all the time. Dude, what do you want? Are you cocaine? Are you meth head? Like what is it? Like you're insane. Like what is going on? I'm like, no, I'm literally, that is the energy of life, bro. Like, right? Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I get it all the time. I have something for that. That's the essence of life, buddy. Right? Like, yeah. And I think it's sad. Like, and I always try and... to have empathy too for people that are saying certain things because I understand that hurt people hurt people, you know, and some people saying these things might have no awareness, you know, so I know it wouldn't be doing any justice to someone else, let alone myself, to get upset or to be like, bro, like you don't even freaking understand, like just go sit in the corner, you know? ⁓ You know, as much as like at times, especially some of the things that you see or I hear, I'm just like, ⁓ but I understand. That's going through their stuff. Yeah. So that's why I do. And I do think it's important. And I think it's, it would be a disservice for me not to talk about these things that have helped my, me and my life and so much that I talk about them because I just create this it's really not crazy, but it is wild to think about. There are so many people on this earth that don't have any of this awareness. And that's a scary place to be. Cause I was there. And it's a scary place to be because you just think like that's the way life is, you know, this just happens to me. And that's just, that's what it is. ⁓ of course, you know, things were going good. I, and I grew up with that mentality. My dad would always say, I shout out to my dad. love my dad. There's nothing bad about him. He grew up, right? We're, only products of our past self of people, places and things. we're past programming, right? And I try and have these conversations with them. Now good would happen and you'd be like, ⁓ it's bound to be something bad. You know, ⁓ that makes me even just say it now, man. That makes me feel so like, something bound to happen. ⁓ of course. Well, it was just going good. And this happened. ⁓ my gosh. And so it puts that right into your brain, like, and then you actually understand how manifestation and frequency and living it that actually works. And then you believe that this is a video game like that. Then you actually project that and then you're receiving it back. It's this law of attraction to the way it's literally a law. It's a law. But hold me like the, thing that really like it. It tilted the scales for me is that I had a habit of catastrophizing problems. There was always a problem. that's like, this is the kind of stuff I teach with like performance mindset is that your thoughts are really articulated through your language, both the words that you use out in the words that you tell yourself inside, like the story, right? Pile up all of those thoughts into a big stack of pancakes here. And you got a belief system. Okay. That belief system carries out your outcome or your actions. So if you're unhappy about where you're at, you got to examine the belief system that you're subscribed to. And then you can change it radically, practically through the words that you use. And it's, this is the thing, the pen, abracadabra, man, you got to write this stuff down. Yeah. And the paper, something about it. Bingo, dude, it, because the words matter, right? Cause again, the reticular activating system, what you're talking about, law of attraction, reticular activating system, the way you are, if you're looking, For the problem, you're going to find it every single time. Just like when you start saying you're crazy. ⁓ it's so crazy. You're going to think that that's crazy. that, do you know what the definition of weird man? Like the etymology of weird, the word weird, why do we use weird for guys like you and me? I'm sure you've been called weird before. Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I'm curious. You know, the actual, no, yeah, tell me. Yeah, dude, comes from old English W Y R D, which means fulfilling higher purpose. How wild is that? That's weird, right? That's awesome. I mean that's the definition of that refining that out is phenomenal. Homie, yeah dude, like there that's the second track. That's we got ten fly and weird. Yeah, you know I'm weird. Yeah, dude. I love it. I Get your mom on the guitar. Get another melody for mom. yeah. We got both of them involved. Dude, on that note, I showed my mom that. I'm like, mom, why aren't we doing this? Like, what'd say? She goes, I'm like, I think we got a mom track here. I'm going to take mom. I mean, for weird. That's awesome. What if we had more people embracing their weirdo? Dude. Or it would be brighter, man. Tell you that. That's what I'm saying. All right. We're to play one game. Hot or not? Fanny pack. Hot or not? Yeah. A fanny pack? I don't know if I've ever... Fanny pack. I could rock one. Yeah. Hot. Yeah. You definitely... Okay. That's what I was Okay. Well, this one's obvious. Mustache. Moustache. Of course. Of course. I don't know how long it'll be here, but... How about frosted tips? Hot or not? These are what the things like this? Definitely hot. Definitely hot. All day. I'm sure I know the answer here. Nip slips in the gym. ⁓ my gosh. ⁓ that's my nipples are always out. I just got in trouble for it. you wear. That's what I said. I think I know the answer here, dude. I get in trouble for it all the time. This is just, this should just be the screenshot. The thumbnail. I'm going to do that. Yeah. You me just like nip slips all day. Yeah. I can't believe this happened. Dude, I don't know what happened. Oh, promo. Oh yeah. Dude, what's the go-to exercise when you're nip slipping it up in the gym? What's the favorite? It's a good one. I do. I love abs and I love chest more than anything. But recently, recently, I do love abs and chest recently. Biceps are always, they definitely are my favorite. But that's because of the easiest, like to just exhaust, you know, what I need to do. And I was just saying this to my manager. was like, I need to, ⁓ think I'm like soon we'll see maybe after I leave Miami or while I'm still here, get a trainer, know, obviously I know what I'm doing in the gym, but I just, think that would be so much like next level, you know, then you have someone there. So yeah, something about it. at all your best coaches. All your best coaches have a coach. What's 1 % more? That's what I'm after, What are your thoughts on time travel? Is that cool? I mean, I'm open to anything now, man. I just feel like any of it's possible, you know, who freaking knows? Who am I to say? It's probably real to answer your question. If I were able to take you back time travel style to like land before time, like dinosaurs, could you eat a whole dinosaur if I gave you like a week? This most random question I've ever been asked, but I think I could. mean, it would depend on how hungry I was. feel like before I took the trip to time to try and travel, I'd have to make sure I was prepared right. And I didn't eat and I just did like a nice fasting, you know, and I set that up and then I traveled depending on how long it would take to, you know, go in between the time travels. Yeah. I think I'd be pretty good. Like a week. You're giving me a week to eat a dinosaur. I mean, how big is the dinosaur? know, that's up to you. Like it could be a little guy. A lot of people don't cause it feels most variable. Do have to kill it? Do I have to kill a dinosaur? You gotta kill a dinosaur, bro. It's up to you. Damn. All right. So if it's up to me, from the choice of dinosaur that I'm thinking, like size-wise, you know, while still being a challenge, but not too like just a little guy, I could do it. Great answer. This has been wild, brother. Thank you so much for your time here. What's next for you? Abelhart, what is on the horizon, dude? What you got cooking? So a big thing that, uh, is like super, super important to me in building. we've seen like just be phenomenal for everyone. As we just started a community, it's called heartfam.com. So all the stuff that pretty much throughout this whole podcast that we just spoke on, where it has everything we do, uh, unreleased music every single week, have exclusive merge drops. Uh, we're filming just like we're doing podcasts here. have specific exclusive podcasts just for heartfam.com and, uh, we're doing giveaways. Everyone's been. phenomenal. were doing a giveaway last week on heartfam.com and it was like, we can't just do one. You know, so we had to do like three of them, which is so cool to be able to be at a place where, you know, we could do stuff like that. And I really want to grow it continuously, keep growing it in the platform. And then all the things that I talk about, plus a ton of BTS, you know, BTS that I've never put on the internet. Just what else was I going to say? Yeah. mean, it's, everything that I talk about, we just had a conversation about over this was like, how can, how can I provide as much value and everything be in one place? that potentially someone may not see somewhere else or things that I'm just not going to post anywhere else, ⁓ all in one place. And plus Abraham Hicks has been a huge game changer for me as well. But being able to post a lot of these things, like personally, these are the things that have helped me and I've saved up all of these videos. I have so much stuff and I'm just like, it doesn't make, it doesn't even make sense for me to put some of this stuff out. Anyone that's on this wave or is learning to grow as a human being or evolve as an individual, whatever the case may be. Or potentially also just what, like I said, there's a bunch of music on there that's put out anywhere else or new drops before stuff comes out. Everything is exclusive in this community. So, ⁓ so yeah, that was, that's, that's to answer your question. Yeah. That's what's going on and building that platform as well as just the unknown. Like I'm like all these things be happening, bro. You know, like I just let it, let it flow, you know, let it flow and let it come in. I'm receiving it. I'm ready for it all. And I'm also ready for the unknown and all of it. It's exciting, you know. Dude, I do. I do. You've been a huge inspiration to both my artistic journey as a musician, but also just as a human, dude. Like you're just a great vibe. I'm sure if we're down in Miami or making videos together, this has been an absolute blast. One final thing here though, I would love to know what, well, I guess two parts. What do you want to be remembered for? What do I want to be remembered for? I'm having as big of an impact as possible on people's lives in a positive way, you know? Dude, what a longevity game. I love that. for anybody out there, what's your best kept secret to success for all those indie artists out there trying to get going? Getting out of your own way. That's it, I think it's like 98 % of it. 99. Almost 100%. I swear. It'd be 100 % if we had mustache. That's true. I just did it because I was like, I'll never do it. I'll probably get judged for it. So it'll be cool. We're stepping into new evolution of you, man. That's what I said to myself in the mirror. I love it. Well, my big takeaways are I got to get a mustache or we're going to write two bops. We got 10 ply and weird and everybody get out of your own way. You are your biggest, your own biggest critic and you can actually be the eternal rock star if you want it. Get out of your own way. Love it. Abelhart, thank you so much for your time, your space and your energy, brother. It's been an absolute blast. You too as well, man. I appreciate you having me.